Really disappointing to see SolveME being involved in research of two devices (a headset that shines infrared light on the scalp and in the nose, and a hand held device that claims to stimulate the vagus nerve). It's not so much the devices, although they both sound questionable, it's the idea that having people borrow the devices for 1 to 3 months and submit data about how well they worked is going to give useful information.

SolveME continues to be a mixed bag. I don't think this sort of thing helps their credibility at all. I wish they would be a bit more discriminating about what they support.

This project is built around a device lending library. Patients diagnosed with ME/CFS or Long COVID borrow promising therapeutic devices, shipped directly to their homes at no cost to them, for a 1-3 month lending period. While borrowing, participants contribute standardized longitudinal data through the Brain Inflammation Collaborative/Solve ME unhide® Solve Together platform. This allows each lending cycle to be a real-world research opportunity.

Discussed on the Renegade Research thread - here
 
Article from Solve ME:

"Solve-Funded Phase 2 Observational Study Yields More Support for Repurposing Rapamycin to Reduce a Broad Range of ME/CFS Symptoms"

 
Article from Solve ME:

"Solve-Funded Phase 2 Observational Study Yields More Support for Repurposing Rapamycin to Reduce a Broad Range of ME/CFS Symptoms"

It’s crystal clear that they lack an understanding of the fundamental scientific principles.

All we had was an open label study. Then they did another open label study. That’s not more evidence because it doesn’t give us any more info or any info with a higher degree of certainty.

More evidence would be to do a blinded study and get a positive result there as well.

Saying this is more evidence is exactly like the recent brain retraining paper where gathered more anecdotes. It’s still useless.
 
All we had was an open label study. Then they did another open label study. That’s not more evidence because it doesn’t give us any more info or any info with a higher degree of certainty.
Exactly. A pile of methodologically weak open label studies does not form a robust body of evidence for their claim.

It is evidence for something. But not for their claim.
 
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All we had was an open label study. Then they did another open label study. That’s not more evidence because it doesn’t give us any more info or any info with a higher degree of certainty.

More evidence would be to do a blinded study and get a positive result there as well.
The fact they did this instead of a blinded study makes me strongly question the motives of the people invovled.

There is no world in which it makes any sense not to follow an open label study with a blinded one unless your motive is something other than proving the drug works.
 
"Research 1st Roundup: July 2026"

Solve ME said:
This quarter’s summaries highlight several studies examining the biological mechanisms of ME/CFS and Long Covid, including the roles of specific autoantibodies and persisting viral components in driving distinct symptoms. Several of the studies were led by Solve-funded researchers and collaborators, including Dr. Akiko Iwasaki, Dr. Amy Proal, Dr. Carmen Scheibenbogen, Dr. David Putrino, and Dr. Jonas Bergquist.
 
I'm re-posting the announcement for this upcoming Solve ME seminar since it was first posted quite a while ago:

"A Safe, Accessible Treatment for ME/CFS? The Mitochondrial Stabilizer IVO-21 Study"

Tuesday, September 8
3:00 pm - 4:00 pm PDT


Registration link
 
Article from Solve ME for Severe ME/CFS Awareness Month:

"Accelerating Severe ME/CFS Research"

Solve ME said:
About 25% of people living with ME/CFS are severely ill, with the majority of them being housebound or bedbound at some point during their illness. They are often unable to perform everyday tasks like eating, showering, and even standing without assistance. These severe symptoms can prevent members of our community from accessing medical care and support, and many are isolated from family and friends.

Severe ME Awareness Month offers an opportunity to further advocate for research, support, and treatment for severe ME/CFS. Studying the severely ill population is vital to understanding the full spectrum of the disease, improving care pathways, adapting research methods for vulnerable populations, and ensuring that research priorities reflect the realities of those most affected.

The people most severely affected by ME/CFS are often the least able to travel and the most easily left out of research. That’s why Solve prioritizes funding for research studies that are built to reach them ...
 
Emily of SolveME has kindly agreed to have a chat will me about the organisation's approach to supporting research, in just over 12 hours time.

If anyone has any thoughts on that topic, e.g. problems with the research they have been supporting, what they could do to do things better, please send me a direct message.
 
So, I had the meeting with Emily Taylor and Patrick Buchanan.

First off, as always, it is clear that SolveME wants to do good things for people with ME/CFS, their genuine commitment is clear. Also, it is great that they are accessible and willing to have a conversation.

We talked about issues with funding a second open label rapamycin study, and with funding the open label trials of the two commercial devices (the headset that shines infra-red light on the scalp and the hand-held vagus nerve stimulator). We talked about how the write up of the rapamycin study by SolveME was inappropriately effusive, given the open label design and the very limited reported benefits from just a few of the many subjective outcomes do not support statements saying the treatment is beneficial.

We talked about harm to the organisation and harm to the ME/CFS community that comes from poorly designed trials.

Honestly though, I don't think the discussion had much impact. Emily doesn't seem to see that running these trials effectively endorses and promotes the treatments, and that the trial design, self-selected participants and expectation bias means that they will almost certainly provide data that can be spun as a positive outcome. Emily seems to genuinely believe that rapamycin is effective for a subset of people.

SolveME seems to believe that they don't have the funds or time to do properly blinded trials, and that their role is to create sufficient interest in potential treatments to facilitate others to do the rigorous trials. I tried to get across that five poorly done trials just muddies the literature and leaves desperate people as sitting ducks for exploitation, whereas concentrating the resources to do a single trial well could actually move the understanding of ME/CFS and treatments forward, and reduce the amount of money and effort people waste on ineffective treatments.

It is hard to understand why people struggle to understand how biased, and therefore how useless, an open label trial with subjective outcomes is. They seem to be being influenced by patients contacting them saying how wonderful, how life-changing these treatments have been. I invited SolveME's staff, especially those making decisions about research funding, to join us here on the forum to discuss these issues, but Emily felt that there are a lot of forums and that they can't show favouritism by being present on one.

Emily committed to arranging a followup meeting between me and their Science Manager, so that is great. It might be useful if others can express concerns to SolveME about their recent research funding decisions.
 
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They seem to be being influenced by patients contacting them saying how wonderful, how life-changing these treatments have been
I think this is more common than we think. I recently observed a similar phenomenon with another “off label” treatment. The person working for the grant was extremely positively impressed by their response so they wanted everyone to have it even though there was lots of clinical negative data, some harmful. They are pushing ahead and most likely will get funding just due to they are selling a story, as well as they believe it is effective. A lot of people who are sick do not have this privilege of lobbying as hard as they do either.

Rather disappointing, why run a “trial” at all. This just gives more fodder to the physicians/researchers/journalists who don’t take this seriously. Poor trials just feed to the loop.
 
Rather disappointing, why run a “trial” at all. This just gives more fodder to the physicians/researchers/journalists who don’t take this seriously. Poor trials just feed to the loop.
Yes.

I wish they understood that if, every time they got an urge to run a trial without proper controls against bias, they instead used the time to sit in the sunshine and chat with their mum, or go for a walk in the park, or clean the kitchen, or whatever, then they and the wider ME/CFS community would actually be much better off. These poorly conceived trials produce net harm and use up donor funds, typically without any off-setting benefit.
 
It is hard to understand why people struggle to understand how biased, and therefore how useless, an open label trial with subjective outcomes is. They seem to be being influenced by patients contacting them saying how wonderful, how life-changing these treatments have been.
I have some rambly thoughts on this. If SolveME is coming from the sort of circles I used to follow on social media, the whole world view is just so different.

View I've developed since reading papers and comments on S4ME:
- The hope, when investigating a group of people with a similar clinical picture, is that they have a shared underlying difference from the population (or only a small number of distinct differences).
- Almost by definition, these differences will be very narrow and specific. We are unlikely to hit on them by blindly fumbling around (or applying random treatments that we think are 'good' in some nebulous way).
- It is very easy to fool ourselves and waste a lot of time and money going down a dead end.
- As fraught as medical research is, people individually trying to solve their medical problems is even less likely to work.

World view that I saw almost everywhere else I've been (and somewhat internalized):
- ME/CFS-like illnesses are caused by overlapping constellations of problems that we can somehow describe the exact details of (e.g. mitochondrial dysfunction) and yet at the same time we have no solid studies of the problems, certainly no clinical tests for the problems, and we also don't know how to solve them completely (instead we have a very long list of things that 'help some people').
- Everyone has their own unique combinations/versions of these problems and that's why some people get better trying a long list of treatments and others don't.
- The search space is small enough (just the popular treatments you've heard about on social media) that it's plausible after trying enough of them you might hit on the right set for you. Plus, you can stack multiple treatments that each give 1/10 of your health back.
- It's normal for the effect of each treatment to be so small and slow to ramp up that you're never 100% sure if it's working or not, you've read many recovery stories like this.
- If a bunch of people say something made them better, there's a good chance it did. (Your whole reality has been shaken. You're dreadfully ill and you can't explain why and your doctor either has no idea what's going on or thinks you're just tired or depressed. The alternative health people are the only ones even living in the same reality as you, the one where you're sincerely sick. You'd really really like for them to be right about the other stuff they're saying too.)

I heard these views from everything I read or listened to (usually implicitly). Imo, this kind of "everything's true" belief system happens when there's there's no social incentive to test/falsify claims. Which is extremely common. I gather that S4ME's wisdom around this (i.e. our scepticism and desire to test if claims are actually true) has been hard earned after seeing the other kind of research go nowhere for decades. There seems to be a longer/deeper collective memory on here than elsewhere.

Idk how to solve this. The charities are under the wrong incentives. Probably we'd need to convince a big vocal chunk of the patient population first? Or convince funding sources?
 
Well put @ScoutB.

I also don’t know what the best way to go about this is. I don’t know how well we could convince fellow patients that their ideas are harmful rather than helpful. People cling to these ideas because they give them certainty and safety. We all know how scary it is to be ill with such a badly understood illness with no treatments.

I’m always so careful of how I word things on r/cfs because I want to be a bridge. I feel (and fear) people can only learn these lessons naturally on their own time. There can be so much pushback to saying something like “MCAS is a poorly constructed concept.” I try to tread lightly, though I know it’s the slower solution.
 
I’m always so careful of how I word things on r/cfs because I want to be a bridge. I feel (and fear) people can only learn these lessons naturally on their own time. There can be so much pushback to saying something like “MCAS is a poorly constructed concept.” I try to tread lightly, though I know it’s the slower solution.
I was actually thinking about your posts on r/cfs after writing this. It's so great you're active on there. Agree with your concerns. And I know when my views change on things it's mostly from gentle exposure, not one argument, so sounds like you've got the balance just right.
 
@Hutan Thank you for this effort, much appreciated. The way I see how things are : Immunologists believe that the answer lies to the immune system. Neurologists believe that the answer lies in the brain. Mitochondrial experts believe that it is a mitochondrial problem. Geneticists believe that it is in the genes. Patients believe that the answer lies to whatever matches their beliefs and personal history. Patient organisations also appear to place extra weight to what patients believe should be investigated and this can be a problem if those beliefs do not have a scientific basis. Lately I read here that most likely the majority of studies are not to be taken seriously. Pretty bleak picture if you ask me.
 
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